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DreamRunner · Dec 26, 2010, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I don't know if you can get any decent data from your questions online. They're quite limited and I only suggest going onto your campus and asking someone you know for an interview.

But for fun. I'll answer anyway.

1. Male

2. I play both. I play them for aesthetic reasons and it is not uncommon for people wanting their characters to look 'good'. It has nothing to do with sexuality or gender, and most of the above responses are for similar reasons. However you do meet some people who often confuse it with sexuality and gender.

3. I don't know the answer but I would say a majority of males play females. But to give an accurate assessment on this question, you would need to look at Arenanet or NCsoft. Men would do it for different and individuals reasons, but you would need to look at a large pool of data to give a general description and no it doesn't bother me at all.

4. Gender isn't a general part of the internet, and it doesn't have to be. However they're websites which emphasize gender and sexuality for a common interests between individuals. It really depends where you want to go on the internet. They're websites which are implore misogyny, and they're websites that emphasize misandry.

This question is very, very bad. You're already implying the internet isn't "just" or "fair" towards women and therefore corrupting the data.

5. Men by a majority by 60/40, but this is a estimate.

6. Since you're doing women studies, you should only ask women about their experiences online and how they interact with males generally as opposed to what is happening outside of the internet. But you should look at the internet as how people interact with a general and common interests between individuals.

For instance, a person who lives in the Australian rural areas and makes a living by farming wheat and crops won't generally have an interest in online communities unless it is about farming. Although I know you're courses try to emphasize sexuality and gender, it shouldn't limit your scope in your information and data collection.

-Old 3FL- · Dec 27, 2010, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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1. Are you male or female?

Male.

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2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why?

I play both, it all depends on what armor/in general which one I think looks better for the profession. Though in some cases I will have male and a female of the same class, right now I have a male and female warrior.

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3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you?

Does it bother me? No, not at all, because I play some female characters.
I think quite a few would be played by males, but I am sure there are male characters played by females too.

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4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"?

Forums and chat rooms have been fine where I have been, the worst place is Youtube.

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5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming?

I do think men have a bit of a margin, many girls that I know don't really use the internet or play games that much, most of their internet usage is for stuff like Facebook.

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6. Any other comments?

Not at the moment.

Usk Delt · Dec 27, 2010, 04:16 AM // 04:16

1. Are you male or female? Male

2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why? Only Male characters, because something i like about RPG's is the fantasy-history about yourself, i mean the roleplaying, And im a man on the reallife so i would pick a man in a fantasy world too.

3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you? I would say 80% of the female characters are played by males, I think mens do that cuz they just like to see a sexy character on their screen and it just bother me when guys pretend to be girls in real life.

4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"? Its just like a party, guys try to impress the girls and stuff like that, this happens on the internet too. And yeah i think its fair if the guys show the respect girls deserves.

5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming? About internet usage i think its equal, because of the social networks like facebook and all that things, but in the gaming area i would say theres a 80% male population and the rest are female players

Lord Mip · Dec 27, 2010, 02:35 PM // 14:35

1. Are you male or female?

Male.

2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why?

I play them both. I mostly look at the armor styles of the males and females and I also like to diversify it.

3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you?

I think 90% of the female characters ingame are male. I think males do this either for reasons stated above, or maybe because they like to look at female characters more.

4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"?

I think males are a bit sexist on the internet about females, but mostly it is a joke that got out of hand I think

5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming?

Internet usage 50/50. Online PC Gaming 40/60. (This also includes silly games like Peggle and Bejeweled

) and Online Console Gaming 5/95

6. Any other comments?

Maybe you should edit your questions because they're now mostly focused on male respondants.

Schmerdro · Dec 27, 2010, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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4. This question is very, very bad. You're already implying the internet isn't "just" or "fair" towards women and therefore corrupting the data.

Sariaru asked ""Do you believe this is fair or just?" and you interpreted it as "implying the internet isn't just or fair" O.o . I don't see how people are discouraged from simply answering the question with "yes."

And what do you mean by "gender isn't a general part of the internet"? By simply using impersonal pronouns like "he" and "she" you are already making gender a part of whatever you are discussing. It's almost impossible to avoid bringing gender up with the English language.

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6. Since you're doing women studies, you should only ask women about their experiences online

DreamRunner, what you're doing right now is called "mansplaining." Sariaru is the one who is actually doing the research project and I'm sure she's getting plenty of advice from her teacher, teacher assistant, or colleagues. Also, women's studies affects everyone, even men, because men should care about their mothers, their sisters, their female friends etc.

Woodelf Archer · Dec 27, 2010, 03:42 PM // 15:42

1. Are you male or female?
Male

2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why?
Only male characters

3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you?
I'll stick my neck out and say at least half are guys. Perhaps it adds a new dimension to a roleplaying experience? I'm not sure. It doesn't bother me because I'm not looking specifically for male or female players. Sure you do start to wonder when a guy has 8 pink female characters and acts like a woman, but whatever, it doesn't affect me.

4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"?
I think players who use forums are far more open minded and a genuine fan of the game. As a result I believe forums have no bias. I don't use chatrooms but I'll be stereotypical and say I could see there could be problems for an especially young woman. Vent also makes it much more apparent which sex you are and can be quite embarrassing to speak on. I think you just have to choose your friends to ensure maturity, although this can apply to anyone.

5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming?
I'd say for PC gaming men have an advantage as their use of it isn't questioned. If my sister for example started playing Guild Wars, my family would probably take the old fashioned view that it isn't very feminine and it should stop. Thankfully this is fading, but still an issue for many. Console gaming less so, as its seen as more casual with Guitar Hero and such.

6. Any other comments?
N/A

DreamRunner · Dec 27, 2010, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Sariaru asked ""Do you believe this is fair or just?" and you interpreted it as "implying the internet isn't just or fair" O.o . I don't see how people are discouraged from simply answering the question with "yes."

And what do you mean by "gender isn't a general part of the internet"? By simply using impersonal pronouns like "he" and "she" you are already making gender a part of whatever you are discussing. It's almost impossible to avoid bringing gender up with the English language.

DreamRunner, what you're doing right now is called "mansplaining." Sariaru is the one who is actually doing the research project and I'm sure she's getting plenty of advice from her teacher, teacher assistant, or colleagues. Also, women's studies affects everyone, even men, because men should care about their mothers, their sisters, their female friends etc.

Sariaru damage the data by just saying if it is or isn't "just". The point is she put ideas into the people who are being asked. The point is to capture the experience of the people being asked about their experiences online and how it impacts women? She didn't need to ask if the actions are "just" or not. It is not needed.

Gender isn't a part of the internet because a person can be totally anonymous and therefore it can hardly impact upon a persons experience. I could have written I am female, but you would never truly know about my sexuality, appearance or anything about who I am. The point is, a person can write anything about anyone and its only assumed to be correct.

What is "mansplaining"? The point I used was actually about feminist methodology for qualitative research. You see, disregarding your obvious assumption about me and my perspective of women studies, it is in feminist methodology that women and their concerns are the focus of investigation. One intention of feminist research is to undertake research that is beneficial FOR women, not only ABOUT women. The ultimate aim of feminist research is to capture woman's lived experience in a respectful manner that legitimates woman's voice as a source of knowledge. In this way, I believe this is what Sariaru is trying to capture and she can freely do so as she pleases, but these experiences can be hardly be legitimate from a internet source when a person can willfully change ANY aspect of their character.

EDIT: just fixed some obvious mistakes.

Verene · Dec 27, 2010, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Mansplaining is basically a term for the "Oh, here, I'll explain it in a way your pretty little head will understand" attitude; generally used when guys feel the need to explain to women how women's issues are. We know better than you do there, no matter how many women's studies classes you may have taken.

Also, there are interesting differences in how men and women have responded, which may be part of what sariaru is looking to get.

Schmerdro · Dec 27, 2010, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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it is in feminist methodology that women and their concerns are the focus of investigation. One intention of feminist research is to undertake research that is beatifically FOR women, not only ABOUT women.

That's only half right. Feminism is about changing society to make it more egalitarian; it focuses on women's experiences because they make up a large percentage of the human population and because they are commonly disadvantaged when compared to men. And society can not change without men changing too. While it's true that there are plenty of women who oppress other women (usually to gain the favor of some men), it is far more common for a man to be oppressor of a woman. So feminism isn't just for women, it's for men too, because being an jerk is not healthy for the people that are being hurt nor for the person who is doing the hurting.

If you think that you can be truly happy while half of the people around you are not, then I would argue that all you are is ignorant and sad. And by "sad" I mean lacking meaningful happiness but I couldn't find a better word for it.

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these experiences can be hardly be legitimate from a internet source when a person can willfully change ANY aspect of their character.

People can lie on any type of survey, no matter if it's online or on paper. And surveys have to be anonymous and free because, otherwise, there would be far fewer participants. Sometimes money is used to persuade people to give up their anonymity but, evidently, Sariaru does not have these kind of funds.

Sierraa · Dec 28, 2010, 06:17 AM // 06:17

1. Are you male or female? Female

2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why? Female characters.

3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you? The majority of them & the female body sells and is generally pleasing to look at. :\ Females are the male peacocks of the human race imo. No it doesn't bother me.

4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"? Make me a sammich & go to the kitchen. No rly though, the female gaming community is getting pretty large. Women are being accepted more often and while you still get sexist remarks it's not as taboo to be female and gaming.

5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming? I think PC gaming is about equal & Console gaming is still dominated by men.

6. Any other comments? If you're interested in getting more responses from other ladies in gaming you should make a Livejournal account and message the admins of wow_ladies

DreamRunner · Dec 28, 2010, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by Verene

Mansplaining is basically a term for the "Oh, here, I'll explain it in a way your pretty little head will understand" attitude; generally used when guys feel the need to explain to women how women's issues are. We know better than you do there, no matter how many women's studies classes you may have taken.

Also, there are interesting differences in how men and women have responded, which may be part of what sariaru is looking to get.

So condescending attitudes? I never said I understanding women's issues better than women and so the term is being misused by trying to discredit my argument, or opinion. Thanks.

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That's only half right. Feminism is about changing society to make it more egalitarian; it focuses on women's experiences because they make up a large percentage of the human population and because they are commonly disadvantaged when compared to men. And society can not change without men changing too. While it's true that there are plenty of women who oppress other women (usually to gain the favor of some men), it is far more common for a man to be oppressor of a woman. So feminism isn't just for women, it's for men too, because being an jerk is not healthy for the people that are being hurt nor for the person who is doing the hurting.

If you think that you can be truly happy while half of the people around you are not, then I would argue that all you are is ignorant and sad. And by "sad" I mean lacking meaningful happiness but I couldn't find a better word for it.

People can lie on any type of survey, no matter if it's online or on paper. And surveys have to be anonymous and free because, otherwise, there would be far fewer participants. Sometimes money is used to persuade people to give up their anonymity but, evidently, Sariaru does not have these kind of funds.

I never said what feminism is generally about. I said about feminist methodology through the means of qualitative research. Sariaru is pursuing qualitative research by asking about subjective core of women's interest and interaction on the internet. But what you're describing is socially constructions and conditioning of genders and sexualities.

I also didn't say it was to neglect or even ignore males issues either. I said it was to focus women's lived experiences and how they perceive, and impact the world. Since she does women's studies, this is clearly her objective. I could talk more about feminist methodology if you like, but since you're jumping on whatever I say, I would rather not.

People can lie on surveys, but I suggested for Sariaru to use interviews from people on her campus. If asked, I am sure someone can give up their time for a quick 5 question interview. Interviews can be totally anonymous and it doesn't take ANY funds to do so. Just use a mic and your computer (I assume Sariaru uses a PC).

Verene · Dec 28, 2010, 03:46 PM // 15:46

But if she's specifically looking for responses from people who 1) play video games, 2) maintain an active online presence, and 3) play online...where is better to look - a forum for an online video game, or their campus where they may not find anyone who fits the criteria they're looking for?

And no, you did come off as a condescending mansplainer.

Schmerdro · Dec 28, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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But what you're describing is socially constructions and conditioning of genders and sexualities.

And I'm saying that's what feminism is about. Feminism wants to change society in its entirety. Because there's nothing wrong with women as a whole, it's the social dynamics that are currently present that need to be improved.

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I suggested for Sariaru to use interviews from people on her campus

And this is the part where you are mansplaining. You don't know what Sariaru is doing besides this online survey (nor what she can or can not do) and you don't know what she was told to do by her teacher (in order to pass the course). And, even though you're missing so much crucial information in order to make an informed suggestion, you still felt the need to tell her how feminism is done right.

Master Fuhon · Dec 29, 2010, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I don't typically answer 2-5 because I have little confidence that survey data will be extrapolated intelligently and not used to confirm pre-existing biases (lol modern science). If I see something different about the intentions of the person asking the questions, I answer them. But number 6, the comment one, I'll go for because it's my favorite:

6)Questions 3 and 4 are 'loaded' and not as gender neutral as the others. If they weren't, it would also say "How many male characters are being played by females and does this bother you" and "How do you believe men are viewed on the interent". To me, the fact that you aren't using those answers in your study, completely alters how scientific your data is. If you are writing an opinion piece for your class, or you are conducting a biased view of one side (maybe to impress a more biased professor), then this is fine. People use controls or comparisons for studies in the sciences though.

The just/fair statement is one that I don't like either, because both of those words are relative to how other people are being treated. Are women treated fairly? Are women treated acceptably or well? In one of these cases, I can say fair treatment is treating everyone like crap because most people get no better on the internet. The word 'just' I would remove for making things too complex, because I don't believe justice can be based on treating someone based on sex/gender. Does this mean we act nicer to people based on assuming what they could go through even if they may not have? (for women childbirth, for men childhood fighting, etc.) What if I assume every woman was born with a silver spoon and people open doors and pull out chairs for her, while cars splash puddles on men standing close to the curb. Then there are people were punished for crimes before they committed them, where the sense of justice is too confusing. I would leave justice out of this, but it was probably chosen as a synonym.

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And this is the part where you are mansplaining. You don't know what Sariaru is doing besides this online survey (nor what she can or can not do) and you don't know what she was told to do by her teacher (in order to pass the course). And, even though you're missing so much crucial information in order to make an informed suggestion, you still felt the need to tell her how feminism is done right.

Feminism done right requires male input, and that is a fact with how the world works. If the world really is biased, then rich white men are getting the best learning opportunities and you have to rely on things and connections that they know about. It's hopeless to succeed as an outsider without any help from the inside of where you are trying to go. I would look at integration of sports, and trying to understand what men of different continental origins did. The difference with breaking the racial sports barrier was that people embraced their own differences (they were 'equal', but not the 'same'). Jackie Robinson broke a barrier by being the all-around athelete, rather than trying to fully copy the way the game was already played (some came before him, he got the most credit). Within a few decades, racist theorists changed from claiming "x race is too dumb to understand sports" to "x race is naturally built for sports". Just as women were once good for 'cooking and cleaning and looking pretty', but now Food Network prides itself on male chefs, gay men design clothes, women still clean houses better than men, but women have taken over fields requiring better soft skills. Prejudiced stereotypes can change, but most people are too biased to conduct studies of prejudices to confirm this.

If this is about understanding of inequality, then a woman needs to understand the grilling that would happen to a guy (you said you were one so you 'asked for it'). I hope people also understand that there is a typical 'lesser male' experience of assumed evil intentions that feminists get to deal with. When people advocate for 'equality', we all wonder whether their version of equality has them on top in subtle ways. Feminists don't get treated like alpha men because their combined structural differences and life experiences don't shape them into what those men are. There's even a similar argument that lesser men make all the time about why they aren't respected. But add on top of that, breaking any kind of barrier is hard, and you often have to prove your worth beyond what other people need to.

There are women's studies women and there are women in technical fields. One of these has been stereotyped about arguing for equality, while the other is about proving quality. It seems that women will be advanced in a male dominated world by proving their own individual qualities and leaving the women behind who don't have them, like men have always done to other men. The same can likely be said about overcoming racial barriers too: it happened one person at a time in one place at a time, since you can't carry the people who confirm the negative stereotypes.

I have doubts that most feminists truly understand how men treat other men at this point in time. It's getting closer for women to hide who they are over the interent, but sex ends up showing through even if people wanted to hide it, and eventually the info spreads. As to whether that was 'mansplaining', those critiques were softened, and likely not given with the same force as if the OP had said "I'm a 40 year old male doing this for my master's degree". Even my critiques will be sheltered based on stereotypes of how people of a subgroup have previously handled them. If anyone takes this as being talked down to, me debating with someone who could know better is much worse.

_Aphotic_ · Dec 29, 2010, 01:11 AM // 01:11

1. Are you male or female?
Male

2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why?
Both; It adds a nice color to the mix; basically, it helps build the role-playing world of GW in my mind. (o__O that's not ambiguous at all)

3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you?
A lot -> Because they can-> No.

4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"?
I don't notice women in forums/chat rooms. I don't really associate gender when I talk to someone (if I end up being a total A-hole, so be it). Women are generally viewed as uncommon, but not unheard of in gaming society; you can't associate the gender with their skill level of play.

5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming?
That would be a big margin men have over women. I would compare that ratio to be as big as the margin between Female and Male classical composers (to those who don't know, there are very FEW well-known Female pre-1900 composers, and to this day, Male composers still overpower Females by a TON). Obviously, you can't compare that time period with this one, but, I was only comparing the ratio of men:women playing.
With freedom of thought in the States and elsewhere, I would say that numerical margin varies widely between countries, but percentage wise remains relatively the same.

6. Any other comments?
Take a survey on how "Men are Taking Over the Internet" - A Study of Male Presence on the Internet, and see what turns up.
Jk.

Oh- and girls are all over the internet- just look at Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter.
And check to see the majority of gender who are playing Farmville.

Mme. Ila · Dec 29, 2010, 03:13 AM // 03:13

1. Are you male or female?
Female

2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why?
I play only as females. I could never relate to a male character...Besides, everything on the girl characters is sexier, from armor to facial features.

3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you?
I assume that 99% of female characters I see are guys. (i'm sure this isn't actually true, but Iv'e been playing for 2 years and never met another -evidently- female player in-game...but then again i don't go around asking about people's genders on GW..It doesn't bother me because we're just hotter (especially the elementalists and mesmers, wow!) why wouldn't they want to play as eyecandy? I think lots of guys play as girl characters because the guys are ugly or gay looking(again, those elementalists & mesmers!), which i blame the game developers for

4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"?
I'm sure we're viewed for the most part as just means for their orgasm. However i think people generally say different things online than they would say/act in person..I'm sure lots of the guys who are jerks or pervs online wouldn't dare say anything to me in person. I definitely don't think its right, but it isn't completely wrong either...its natural for guys to lust over women, and in forums etc. that might be male dominated acknowledging this isn't bad, its expected. (even girls think girls are hot!) And it IS fair. if there were more women on the average forum I'm sure the guys wouldn't be sexist (or at least post something sexist or overly objectifying women).

5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming?
Girls game less than guys, but that doesn't mean that any gender is inherently better at gaming. I'm sure lots of people might say that females aren't any good at gaming, however it is understandable that such a stereotype would develop since so many female "gamers" are wusses who play only wii, and not anything online or pc based or PvP. I'm sure that console gaming is much more male-dominated than pc gaming (both online)

6. Any other comments?
good luck with your paper or project or whatever this is for

Schmerdro · Dec 29, 2010, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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If they weren't ['loaded' questions], it would also say "How many male characters are being played by females and does this bother you" and "How do you believe men are viewed on the interent"

So basically you're saying "What about the menz?" I'm afraid Sariaru's survey has more of a feminist bent and it focuses only on women's oppression. If you're interested on men's oppression, I suggest you read into men's rights activism. Also, when you said that, by not talking about men, the survey becomes "biased"... that was really lol-worthy; not everything has to be about men.

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The just/fair statement is one that I don't like either, because both of those words are relative to how other people are being treated.

First off, "just" and "fair" are synonyms. TheFreeDictionary.com says so.
And yes, everybody has different definitions for what is "fair" or "just." So please feel free to share your opinion on what is a just or fair treatment for women

Ok, now for the rest of your post you talk about sports, racism, "lesser men" and how sociologists don't do any real work. And, frankly, I can't understand any of it since it's very general and only tangentially related to feminism. If you are interested in participating further in this conversation, then I would suggest you try to express yourself in a more direct and concise manner.

Verene · Dec 29, 2010, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Master Fuhon, do everyone a favor and look up a concept known as social privilege. As a male, you have tons of privilege that women do not have, simply because you are a man. Everything you say in your post demonstrates that you are absolutely soaking in it (not to mention that the entire post just reeks of sexism and misogyny) and don't even realize it. Do some research, realize that yes, you do have it easier just because you are male, and then stop attempting to explain feminism and gender oppression to women. You know, those people who are actually discriminated against due to their gender.

In other words, no one cares how oppressed men think they are, because they aren't. Having to share more of the pie so others get equal slices and yours is smaller as a result isn't oppression.

obastable · Dec 29, 2010, 04:26 AM // 04:26

1. Are you male or female?
Female

2. Do you play male characters, female characters, or both? If you play characters from the opposite gender, why?
Female - the available creation options generally look better than the males.

3. How many female characters that you see do you think are actually being played by males? Why do you think men do this? Does it bother you?
Quite a lot. / Why not? It's a fantasy game, if the men looked better I'd play them. / Not at all.

4. Elsewhere on the Internet (forums, chat rooms, etc), how do you believe women are generally viewed? Do you believe this is "fair" or "just"?
If you're asking whether or not I think women are viewed differently online than person to person then the answer would be "yes", however men are also viewed differently, and both are viewed the same online; that is to say, the anonymity of the internet typically means everyone is equally treated with little respect due to the lack of consequence.

5. How much of a margin, if any, do you believe that men have over women when it comes to Internet usage? Online PC gaming? Online console gaming?
Of the men & women that I know ... more women than men use the internet & game online, both via PC and console.

Re: the other argument going on ...

Sexism is sexism, whether its instigated by a man or a woman. Women are just as likely to make sexist comments (mansplaining? Really?) and form prejudices as men. We are also far more likely to argue and attempt to justify our sexist remarks and actions and strut it away under the banner of womens rights. Women are the first and foremost barrier to womens rights and equality. Next to that, our biggest enemy in equality is the law, and in this I do not mean laws that allow for acts that subjugate women, but rather ones that subjugate men in favor of women.

When you write, or say, something pay close attention to the words you use as well as the intent of those words.

obastable · Dec 29, 2010, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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In other words, no one cares how oppressed men think they are, because they aren't. Having to share more of the pie so others get equal slices and yours is smaller as a result isn't oppression.

Hi Verene,

Did you know that over 95% of all child custody cases in the world are won by women, whether or not they are the better/more financially stable/more responsible/more capable/more loving parent and whether or not it is what's best for the child? They are awarded custody over 95% of the time simply because they are female.

Just a thought.